Do you agree with the laws? If so, should she say something? Are you concerned about your health?
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As a former smoker, I always knew that smoking was my choice and that I had to work around the wishes of non-smokers. DH still smokes and he knows the same thing. I'm asthmatic around second hand smoke, but could always smoke a cigarette with no breathing problems...go figure. The smokers don't even realize how potent it is b/c they are desensitized to it now.
I agree with the law. Children and the elderly and Joe Schmoe in general have to walk through it and shouldn't have to. But I don't think she should say anything directly to them. I think it is up to the management to say something and enforce it. So she should probably remind the hostess once inside of the law and that they could be hindering certain patronage.
You can't please everyone all the time, but unfortunately for the smoker, the non-smoker is the one protected by that particular law. Sucks, but if the need to smoke is that great, then they will just have to deal with the law and find an acceptable place, IMO.
I completely agree. As a smoker, I quit because I got PG, it was my choice to quit, yet I am forced to walk through clouds of smoke to enter buildings, including my OB/GYN and the local hospital - that is INSANE in my opinion. I understand smokers have needs and rights, I am a smoker, BUT I also understand I shouldn't inflict my choices on someone else. They can go around the corner, away from the entrance or to their cars.
I agree w/ Emily and smokin'girl. My brother and sil and all of their friends are heavy smokers. When my older dd was about 18mos I went to my nieces bd party and EVERYONE was smoking. By the time we got back home a day later, we had to take dd to the hospital and get a breathing treatment for her b/c she was having difficulty well, breathing. I dont' usually see my brother or his friends, so, the smoking issue never even occurred to me.
I can see both sides of this argument. I'm a smoker, btw.
For one thing, one person smoking does not usually cause any kind of health hazard to someone just walking past. Nor does one person create a "cloud of smoke" that must be walked through. Now, if an entire group was doing that, I can see how it would create a problem.
I don't think it's my right to blow smoke in ppl's faces or purposely annoy them, but in some cases, it can't be helped.
Example: I was sitting in an outdoor dining area (can't smoke inside restaurants anymore) for the purpose of being able to smoke while waiting for my food and after I got done eating. A couple came and sat a few tables over, and they had a baby with them. Now what kind of position does that put the smoker in? I know I shouldn't smoke around a baby! But come on, that's usually the reason that places offer outdoor dining, so that the smokers can feed their addiction. Me and my friend continued to smoke, and got some dirty looks from the ppl, after they had made a point of sitting as far away from us as possible.
I know that was an irrelevant tangent, but I wanted to point out that there are so many non-smokers who have this superiority complex that they have more rights than smokers do. No, I don't want to subject ppl to my smoke, but then again, the non-smokers don't have to be around me either.
IMO, the poster should just keep her mouth shut. If there is an ongoing problem with it, maybe she should call the city to complain. Maybe they need to just post a sign and enforce the law.
Been on both sides and now on the "not smoking" side for almost 5 months.
I think it could all be handled with just some common courtesy. I will say something out loud and very rude if someone is around the entrance of a building smoking. Something like, "Damn public education didn't teach you reading?" and then point to the sign. Anyway, that's just me and of course I am armed :)
I’m from Arizona, and I actually do agree with the law. IMO, it is disgusting when you are walking in to a restaurant and you walk through a huge cloud of smoke. It really does take away your appetite away. LoL.
If it really offended me, I would politely go up to the manager of that facility (esp if is a restaurant and their doors are open – which I have experienced many times before) and bring it up to him/her. If you speak to the manager, they are basically forced to do something about it, HaHa.
I don’t kno if that made a whole lot of sense, but that is my blabbering opinion.
Smoking out in public is fine, but when you are smoking that close to public places and around entrances, you are being selfish.
I think the poster is being ridiculous. Maybe she should carry around a tape measure and call the cops whenever she sees a person smoking too close to a building entrance?
No matter what she says to the smokers they, most likely, aren't going to take it well.
I think she should just be happy that smoking isn't allowed in buildings and leave it at that.
I'm a NON smoker and have never smoked.
I have an issue with smoking-- as in I can't handle it even if it is just ONE person standing there puffing their cloud around them. I can't even talk to someone who has *just* finished a ciggy unless they have aired themselves out.
I used to work in an assisted living facility--where alot of the other workers knew that if they needed something from me they had to come to me before they went out for their puff OR wait and air themselves out. I just can't breathe. My throat starts to close up and my eyes water.
My dad used to smoke and stopped the day I asked him why he was trying to kill me. That was when I was six.
I completely agree with the law and if it were one person then I would say something to them. If it was a group I would talk to the management of where ever I happened to be.
Andrea-Go to http://www.smokinganimals.com/facts.html and see what tobacco companies do to animals in order to test their products. This site is from 2001 but there are more recent ones out there, this one just sums it up nicely.
I'll have to keep my superiority complex in check the next time I go to a restaurant and remember that the outside is for smokers only, unless I want to taste their smoke while I eat or have my babies breathe it. I used to be a smoker and it bothers me more now than when I smoked.
It's not just about the smell, there are people who can not be around it because of allergies. I would understand avoiding a bar or casino but not a public place or patio of a restaurant.
I had said that basically it's tough for the smoker, but as a non-smoker I also realize that if I'm in an area that it's okay to smoke, I'm not going to expect the smokers to stop just b/c I'm there. I agree with Andrea in her situation. If I brought DD to the patio area where smoking is allowed and there were already people there smoking, I'd either find a table far enough away or go back where it's not permitted. Now if it were reversed and we were there first, I'd expect the smoker to be courteous enough to not sit near us and light up.
Flying Monkeys...I have seen that site and it's part of my animal rights blog on myspace. I have since switched from Marlboros and Camels to smoking Djarums b/c I can't find anything about animal cruelty relating to them. B/c of money problems, I will be quitting after this last pack (granted, a pack of cloves takes me 5 days to get thru).
Anywho, I agree with the posters who used to smoke saying that it smells even worse now that they've quit. Every time I have quit, whenever DH comes in front smoking, I tell him he stinks. I hear you guys on that one.
I do think that this topic is about public smoking, though. If you are a non-smoker, keep your kids (and yourselves, if you have a problem with it) away from the smokers if you don't like it. I'm sorry if that comes off harsh, but if it is not a "no smoking" area, the smokers do have every right to smoke there.
That being said, if they are being rude about it, you have every right to ask them to quit it or move away from you. If someone asked me nicely, I'd move. If they were there first.
PenetangJudy
I also agree with the poster. She should not have to walk through smokers to get into a building when the law clearly states that smokes must be at least 20 feet from an entrance. I don't think we should be happy that smoking isn't allowed in buildings, what an absurd comment. This happens to be the LAW not just a random thought that a few people have had!!! Smokers do not have the right to inflict their smoke on people. Yes, I am a nonsmoker.
*posted under anonymous as I can't remember my sign in*
Quote = PenetangJudy
.... I don't think we should be happy that smoking isn't allowed in buildings, what an absurd comment. This happens to be the LAW not just a random thought that a few people have had!!! Smokers do not have the right to inflict their smoke on people. Yes, I am a nonsmoker....
Some states don't have smoking bans so NO IT"S NOT AN ABSURD STATEMENT! All the women on FF or here on the blog don't live in the same state or even the same country.
From Wikipedia:
Since Article One of the Constitution of the United States does not grant the United States Congress the power to enact a smoking ban under federal law, therefore under the Tenth Amendment it is one of the powers "reserved to the states, respectively, or to the people." Thus, smoking bans in the United States are entirely a product of state and local criminal and occupational safety and health laws
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States#Texas
Actually it is an absurd comment when it specifically says that for this particular area/city/state it is law for 20'. So they shouldn't just be happy when people aren't abiding by the law. We have laws for a reason and you can't just pick and choose which ones you want to follow.
Emily - She's lucky she doesn't live in a city that doesn't have bans! I really didn't realize that I'd have to explain every little single fucking detail of anything I type. You are an idiot!
I also said that maybe the poster should carry around a tape measure and call the cops when someone is breaking the law. Does that make you feel better? The law would be in-forced then wouldn't it?
There are some absurd laws on the books and they aren't enforced. Maybe you should be in-charge of busting all the offenders?
LOL, thanks for the laugh today, anon! Good times...
The post was made in a light-hearted nature and in no way intended to stir up all this drama and end up on the drama site! ;) That being said, I have to clarify a few things.
It clearly states that I am not concerned about my health. Drop second hand smoke dangers from the conversation if you are talking about my post. It's a non-issue in THIS case.
Also, I completely disagree with the comment that restaurant owners have patios just so people can smoke. In all respect, that is preposterous. In AZ and many southern states, it is beautiful outside nearly year-round. You do not have to be a smoker to appreciate the experience of dining under a clear blue sky with the birds chirping and breezes in your face. That being said, if there were people legally smoking, I would never bring a baby out there and presume to scowl at a smoker exercising a legal right. That, too, would be preposterous.
As for calling it a cloud of smoke, perhaps I exaggerated a tad. But, the fact remains that if you are walking into a restaurant to pick up some soup and already have a scratchy throat when you walk through a “field” of smoke, it is just not pleasant. Call it what you will. If it is irritating to me, I will call it a cloud. If it is outside the limits of the law, I will be doubly irritated by it. If it would cause more hassle than it is worth to mention it, I will ignore it – which I did (except to run by my online girls for FUN input).
It was stated in a response that the post was about public smoking. That is not accurate. The post was about smoking in a public place where it is forbidden. Just want to be clear that we are differentiating between the two.
And as far as the tape measure comment goes, when someone is a mere 2 strides away from the door, it is clearly not 20 feet, as the law calls for. 5-6 feet is not even close to 20 feet and I don’t think the fact that I know the difference between the two makes me as anal as you seem to believe.
Reporting this to a manager would probably be a waste of time, as a smoker would probably be done by the time I had said discussion with a manager. It seems to be one of those unenforceable laws. Also, bringing a manager into the situation would probably only serve to make a smoker more defensive.
Finally, if you were able to continue viewing the remainder of the thread, you may have seen the path it took. It truly was meant to be light-hearted and I was really just looking for a nice, non-offensive one-liner that could be used without raising a ruckus. The fact that there are now TWO drama posts tied to my original post just go to show that this is such an emotionally charged issue for some people and there probably is no perfect solution.
That being said, I still put the call out to anyone that can come up with one of those “calling you out” kind of comments that could be taken lightly. Or does every conversation about smoking have to be so highly charged?
Added comments:
I have to admit I was being a little self centered in my "clarifications." I forgot about the blog owner's post about my post and the questions IT contained. I guess the health issue was opened up there, so my comment about disregarding that was misplaced.
Carry on. ;)
I don't have any words of wisdom for things to say to the smokers, just wanted to share this little gem.
We also have the 20 feet rule. I work for a government office and the only place for the smokers to stand while still being under cover is right next to the kids playground for the day care center. So, they're 20 feet from the door, but right next to the kiddos. Sometimes these laws have unintended consequences.
When people complain, the property managers move the "butt depot" out from under the canopy and away from the playground. But then the smokers complain that they can't go smoke when it rains, so the property manager moves it back.
This is a highly charged issue in my office.
Allison - smoking is a recreation activity taken on by choice. If it's raining, they have to just deal with it and smoke when it's more convenient.
If I take up jogging on my lunch hour and it rains, I don't see anyone chasing me around with an umbrella!
;)
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